Today we see many institutions and agents shaking the rainbow flag.

Yes, but the gesture of a day is not worth, it is a matter to be discussed every day. The placing of the rainbow flag is of no use if the institutions do not assume responsibility for dealing with LGBTIphobia. And what they do from the institutions has no legitimacy, if they don't contrast and agree with the LGBTI movement, because we are the ones who are on the move and militating on the street who suffer all of this and have to take into account when it comes to developing their policies.

Is there an instrumentalization of the collective?

Our collective and others. It's not new, capitalism takes everything and it does, within a hierarchy.

In fact, they have said that heteronorma has successfully assimilated the acronyms LGBTI, rewarding LGBTI people who adapt to a form and model “acceptable” to society. Where is gender and sex dissent today?

That is why our claim is more identity, more global: we are a movement for sexual liberation. We do not rule out the acronym LGBTI, but we want to emphasize that the heterorule is something that goes beyond and affects everyone, because our objective is not only to defend the rights of certain identities, but also to criticize and discuss how our bodies are organized and understood, desires, identities, affective and romantic relationships... We say that we must break the sexual morality, that we must transform the idea of the family into something that is continuity...

For example, I am white marica because I have achieved rights, because I can marry and be able to form a family, the struggle is not over.

All liberations must go at once: there will be no sexual liberation if other freedoms are not given or there is no class liberation if sexual liberation is not given.

Today, there are those who are also committed to a society without labels. Are labels necessary?

I would highlight two important ideas: that nobody should label anyone, that one should stick to a label or a collective. And secondly, sometimes labels are necessary to name them, because their name means being, and what is not named doesn't exist. Sometimes, of course we have to say that we are transas, maricas, bolleras, bisexual. And at the same time, on other occasions, we don't need labels because they can limit us: in one process maybe we've stuck to a label with toughness, but then we don't feel it. After all, as has already been mentioned, we lean towards sexual liberation, we do not focus so much on identity politics.

Context also marks. If I am with a group of men, I will say that I am Marica, and it also seems important to me to say so, but in other contexts, forums and situations, where for example the rule is not so marked, I do not feel that need.

Have reactionary responses increased as they have gained in freedom?

These retrograde attitudes demonstrate that they have already been there and that, despite the advances in rights, they are still there, it is a warning that we cannot fall asleep, that the achieved can be lost and that we can go back if we are not alert. We have to keep fighting on the street because hate speech is there and hate because those speeches have consequences.

According to studies, homophobic bullying has traditionally been the main bullying at school. Is the situation gradually changing?

It's called homophobic bullying, but I relate it more to sexism and machismo because we're talking about a guy's harassment of being female, that is, of rejecting the feminine. Nevertheless, one of the most repeated insults is the “mica”, which is a sign of something. This insult is the device of masculinity to comply with the heteronorma, since by any gesture and action that comes from the hegemonic model of masculinity you are the “marica”. And behind many of the attacks that we see is also the term “paddle”.

Do we still have too many closets to break?

We want to change the focus: in the closet are all those who don't want to understand diversity. We have always been and will always be, so what has to change is the look of some, they are the ones who are in the closet. The same is true of LGBTIphobia: when a person suffers an aggression, it seems to be the cause of being maricas, transas, or bolleras, and no, the problem is homophobes and transfobos, the aggressors.