In the 21st century and collecting the stone...

We collect the stone not in the form of sports, but in the form of modern sports. With a federation, a regulation, anti-doping control... Rural sport is over, ours is a popular sport.

The suspicions, the traps, the sauce... That they're over?

The betting world was a world of much more reticence. Before, even if you cheated, winning the bet was enough, because life was in the trap.

Don't tell me you turned down the bets for the traps.

The bet for me was to pick up the stone, not to bet on picking up the stone.

Is professionalism a bet?

If professionalism is about wanting to do things right, yes. If professionalization is to be able to live from there... To give you everything you have, you can’t work eleven hours in construction and then come to train. You need some options in the area.

Are you talking about folklore shows?

You have to believe it's not a routine. A drop of water takes years to make a hole in the stone and every drop has its effect.

Thank goodness that the TV screen is impenetrable!

I’m ready to do things, but TV is hard. If he brings you, you must take the rag he gave you, go to the place he promised you.

“Chiquito de Leitza” can’t be called...

When I realized I was out of control, I tried to control myself. We also have to do things wrong and if we are aware of it there are two ways, to keep doing it wrong or to stop doing it wrong.

But in politics it is not a matter of “politics”...

The calves I fatten don’t have Eusko Label. Then I have to fight with the will and the will. It’s not politics, it’s “feeling.” If Sabino Arana had listened to Arturo Campion, today the Basque Country would have been different.

You won't be from Nabarralde?

I consider Nabarralde to be extremely urgent in today’s Basque Country, and whether you want it or not, it has an impact on society. Nabarralde has shown that Navarre has not always been the image that today’s UPN sells.

All right, all right. Tell me that we're all Navarrese...

If Oxala were like that. It would mean that the path of this country has made sense. What does this country need to survive? The protection. Sleeping outside you will have fun in Cuba, but in Lapland you will die of cold. They're going to tell us the separatist because we're looking for another safeguard, but what if that's what we want?